Comments on: Loving Wonder Woman! http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/ Creating shiny girls... Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:34:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Janine http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-337 Janine Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:26:17 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-337 This is great! I love to read about positive roles and rolemodels for women and girls. Wonder Woman is strong, independent and smart-all while wearing a pwer outfit that shows her womanly figure! Not to mention the cuffs! (: Can I use the picture in a piece I am doing? It would be perfect! This is great! I love to read about positive roles and rolemodels for women and girls. Wonder Woman is strong, independent and smart-all while wearing a pwer outfit that shows her womanly figure! Not to mention the cuffs! (:
Can I use the picture in a piece I am doing? It would be perfect!

]]> By: Justin http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-90 Justin Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:20:42 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-90 I am very much a proponent of equality, especially as it related to what we teach our youth. I think it is important to teach people not to identify with what they see in the media. Media largely still does reflect society. It is not accurate to portray every woman as independently wealthy, secure with herself, and in a dream job career. Just as it is not accurate to portray husbands in commercials as people who don't know how to replace the toilet paper. I am offended by the "dumb dad" advertising. I know there is an actual ad with dad being "toilet paper replacing" deficient, ads with horrified kids saying things like "Oh no! Dads making dinner!!" I think we need to always focus on teaching our students to see figures in the media as having positive or negative qualities - not necessarily overall positive, or overall negative. Role models can be a good thing, but also a dangerous thing if students buy in to a person being someone they want to replicate. I am very much a proponent of equality, especially as it related to what we teach our youth. I think it is important to teach people not to identify with what they see in the media. Media largely still does reflect society. It is not accurate to portray every woman as independently wealthy, secure with herself, and in a dream job career. Just as it is not accurate to portray husbands in commercials as people who don’t know how to replace the toilet paper. I am offended by the “dumb dad” advertising. I know there is an actual ad with dad being “toilet paper replacing” deficient, ads with horrified kids saying things like “Oh no! Dads making dinner!!”
I think we need to always focus on teaching our students to see figures in the media as having positive or negative qualities - not necessarily overall positive, or overall negative. Role models can be a good thing, but also a dangerous thing if students buy in to a person being someone they want to replicate.

]]> By: Danni Miller http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-88 Danni Miller Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:29:04 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-88 I was just sent these fabulous song lyrics by English teacher Lisa Porter - loving the message! India Arie: "Video" Sometimes I shave my legs and sometimes I don't Sometimes I comb my hair and sometimes I won't Depend on how the wind blows I might even paint my toes It really just depends on whatever feels good in my soul Chorus: I'm not the average girl from your video And I ain't built like a supermodel But I learned to love myself unconditionally Because I am a queen I'm not the average girl from your video My worth is not determined by the price of my clothes No matter what I'm wearing I will always be India Arie When I look in the mirror the only one there is me Every freckle on my face is where it's supposed to be And I know our creator didn't make no mistakes on me My feet, my thighs, my lips, my eyes; I'm lovin what I see Chorus Am I less of a lady if I don't wear pantyhose? My mama said a lady ain't what she wears but what she knows But I've drawn a conclusion, its all an illusion, confusion's the name of the game A misconception, a mass deception Something's gotta change Don't be offended this is all my opinion Ain't nothing that I'm sayin' law This is a true confession of a life learned lesson I was sent here to share wit' Y'all So get in where you fit in go on and shine Free your mind, now's the time Put your salt on the shelf Go on and love yourself cuz everythings gonna be all right Chorus Keep your fancy drinks and your expensive minks I don't need that to have a good time Keep your expensive car and your caviar All I need is my guitar Keep your cristyle and your pistol I'd rather have a pretty piece of crystal Don't need your silicon I prefer my own What God gave me is just fine Chorus I was just sent these fabulous song lyrics by English teacher Lisa Porter - loving the message!

India Arie: “Video”

Sometimes I shave my legs and sometimes I don’t
Sometimes I comb my hair and sometimes I won’t
Depend on how the wind blows I might even paint my toes
It really just depends on whatever feels good in my soul

Chorus:
I’m not the average girl from your video
And I ain’t built like a supermodel
But I learned to love myself unconditionally
Because I am a queen
I’m not the average girl from your video
My worth is not determined by the price of my clothes
No matter what I’m wearing I will always be India Arie

When I look in the mirror the only one there is me
Every freckle on my face is where it’s supposed to be
And I know our creator didn’t make no mistakes on me
My feet, my thighs, my lips, my eyes; I’m lovin what I see

Chorus

Am I less of a lady if I don’t wear pantyhose?
My mama said a lady ain’t what she wears but what she knows
But I’ve drawn a conclusion, its all an illusion, confusion’s the name of the game
A misconception, a mass deception
Something’s gotta change

Don’t be offended this is all my opinion
Ain’t nothing that I’m sayin’ law
This is a true confession of a life learned lesson I was sent here to share wit’ Y’all
So get in where you fit in go on and shine
Free your mind, now’s the time
Put your salt on the shelf
Go on and love yourself
cuz everythings gonna be all right

Chorus

Keep your fancy drinks and your expensive minks
I don’t need that to have a good time
Keep your expensive car and your caviar
All I need is my guitar
Keep your cristyle and your pistol
I’d rather have a pretty piece of crystal
Don’t need your silicon I prefer my own
What God gave me is just fine

Chorus

]]> By: Dorothy Stahlnecker http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-85 Dorothy Stahlnecker Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:28:12 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-85 It's my mind I'll focus on, there is still so much to share and give..and what can big boobs offer? So I put on my robe and went over to my computer and thought about a new post for my blog. Hoping I'd think of something helpful to our families. Nothing clicked yesterday. I was working on the tree and our decorations, I think I was too focused. However, here you give me lots of things to write about on my own primitive blog.. Thanks and Ill be back.. Dorothy from grammology call gram www.grammology.com It’s my mind I’ll focus on, there is still so much to share and give..and what can big boobs offer? So I put on my robe and went over to my computer and thought about a new post for my blog. Hoping I’d think of something helpful to our families. Nothing clicked yesterday. I was working on the tree and our decorations, I think I was too focused.

However, here you give me lots of things to write about on my own primitive blog.. Thanks and Ill be back..

Dorothy from grammology
call gram
http://www.grammology.com

]]> By: Danni Miller http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-84 Danni Miller Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:51:26 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-84 P.S In relation to your opening comments about young women dressing in an overtly sexual way... Here is my personal take on it ( for what it is worth!). I have no problem with women dressing in any way they please - hey I loved my mini skirts and killer heels back in the day!I do think it is limiting is that is ALL we choose to present ourselves as being ALL the time (ie: Paris Hilton style). I also don't buy into the argument that dressing in this way is a feminist statement ( the whole "I am women... see me strip" line. ) It is fundamentally Hugh Hefner's vision of women - not a feminist perspective. I do however, feel very strongly that young girls should not feel pressured (and YES popular culture and music videos in particular are to blame here) to be sexy too. I think some music clips are really just obscene... I LOVE that Missy Higgins chooses to put clothes on rather than take them off in her clips. Not saying music clips all need to be "Mickey Mouse Clubesque" (God knows that sanitised vision did not help Britney long term!) but a few more alternatives to the gyrating gangsta gals would be helpful. :) P.S In relation to your opening comments about young women dressing in an overtly sexual way…

Here is my personal take on it ( for what it is worth!).

I have no problem with women dressing in any way they please - hey I loved my mini skirts and killer heels back in the day!I do think it is limiting is that is ALL we choose to present ourselves as being ALL the time (ie: Paris Hilton style). I also don’t buy into the argument that dressing in this way is a feminist statement ( the whole “I am women… see me strip” line. ) It is fundamentally Hugh Hefner’s vision of women - not a feminist perspective.

I do however, feel very strongly that young girls should not feel pressured (and YES popular culture and music videos in particular are to blame here) to be sexy too. I think some music clips are really just obscene…

I LOVE that Missy Higgins chooses to put clothes on rather than take them off in her clips.

Not saying music clips all need to be “Mickey Mouse Clubesque” (God knows that sanitised vision did not help Britney long term!) but a few more alternatives to the gyrating gangsta gals would be helpful. :)

]]> By: Danni Miller http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-83 Danni Miller Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:49:47 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-83 Oh I hear ya sista!!! Also feeling enraged as I am just back from a lunch / focus group I had today with a group of pretty powerful women in business. One of the women at the luncheon was adament that there was no such thing as discrimination for women anymore, that women did not need special programs or interest groups. She saw women's initatives / programs as separatist. What really offended me was that she was a powerful women living a priviledged life – could she not see that is NOT how all women live and NOT the experience of all women in business? I respect every women's right to an opinion so power to her for speaking up and being honest but I do so miss a sense of the sisterhood! Saying "Well I am on a Board so it is just up to other women to get out there and speak up too..." is really not demonstarting the empathy I so admire in women generally. Marie Wilson (an amazing feminist) argues that our biggest problem as women today is that we have become complacent and we no longer think there any problems! No issues worthy of special attention? Tell that to: the teen girls who starve themselves to fit an idealised image of beauty, or cut themselves and binge drink to relieve stress, the women enslaved by the sex industry, the women who work full time and who are still expected to go home and do the majority of the housework and child rearing, the women who would love to work part time whilst rearing their children but cannot find work that will fit in with school hours or a decent, affordable pre-school, the women who choose to parent full time and get treated like they have "opted out," to the women and children living in poverty or with domestic violence ... Oh bugger Ella I need a cuppa and a lie down too. Oh I hear ya sista!!!

Also feeling enraged as I am just back from a lunch / focus group I had today with a group of pretty powerful women in business.

One of the women at the luncheon was adament that there was no such thing as discrimination for women anymore, that women did not need special programs or interest groups. She saw women’s initatives / programs as separatist.

What really offended me was that she was a powerful women living a priviledged life – could she not see that is NOT how all women live and NOT the experience of all women in business?

I respect every women’s right to an opinion so power to her for speaking up and being honest but I do so miss a sense of the sisterhood! Saying “Well I am on a Board so it is just up to other women to get out there and speak up too…” is really not demonstarting the empathy I so admire in women generally.

Marie Wilson (an amazing feminist) argues that our biggest problem as women today is that we have become complacent and we no longer think there any problems!

No issues worthy of special attention? Tell that to:

the teen girls who starve themselves to fit an idealised image of beauty, or cut themselves and binge drink to relieve stress,
the women enslaved by the sex industry,
the women who work full time and who are still expected to go home and do the majority of the housework and child rearing,
the women who would love to work part time whilst rearing their children but cannot find work that will fit in with school hours or a decent, affordable pre-school,
the women who choose to parent full time and get treated like they have “opted out,”
to the women and children living in poverty or with domestic violence …

Oh bugger Ella I need a cuppa and a lie down too.

]]> By: Ella James http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-82 Ella James Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:22:09 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-82 Thanks for this Danni. Thank goodness for you and your team out there. I have been working in the city today, and am dismayed when I look at some of the young women. It is apparent they regard themselves as wholly sexual beings and wish to be judged as if they are in a video clip. They dress like tarts, walk like tarts..well some can hardly walk their heels are so high! What is it with young women relating so strongly to the images in video clips? Is sex more powerful than the mind? Than the personality? In speaking to a young woman last week she said "I'm no feminist..who needs them" Well darling" I replied "it's a pity you finished year 12, studied at Uni, became a pharmacist, have equal pay and the ability to walk into a bank and get a home loan..it's a pity you don't have a husband yet because when your rights are taken away from you..the rights feminists won for you...you won't be able to have your own passport, or travel without your father or brother...you won't be able to get a job unless you are a teacher or nurse..." "you're kidding...that's the dark ages' she replied "no...even your own grandmother couldn't have got a loan and your mother couldn't get equal pay' Being a feminist is not about not being feminine, it is not about being harsh..or hard...it is about the freedom to make choices. As long as we live in a country that still regards a deputy PM who's a woman as something 'different' as long as women are still described by their age and marital status in the media...we have a long way to go to change attitudes regarding our freedom of choice. I'll have a cup of tea now! Thanks for this Danni. Thank goodness for you and your team out there. I have been working in the city today, and am dismayed when I look at some of the young women. It is apparent they regard themselves as wholly sexual beings and wish to be judged as if they are in a video clip. They dress like tarts, walk like tarts..well some can hardly walk their heels are so high! What is it with young women relating so strongly to the images in video clips? Is sex more powerful than the mind? Than the personality? In speaking to a young woman last week she said “I’m no feminist..who needs them” Well darling” I replied “it’s a pity you finished year 12, studied at Uni, became a pharmacist, have equal pay and the ability to walk into a bank and get a home loan..it’s a pity you don’t have a husband yet because when your rights are taken away from you..the rights feminists won for you…you won’t be able to have your own passport, or travel without your father or brother…you won’t be able to get a job unless you are a teacher or nurse…” “you’re kidding…that’s the dark ages’ she replied “no…even your own grandmother couldn’t have got a loan and your mother couldn’t get equal pay’ Being a feminist is not about not being feminine, it is not about being harsh..or hard…it is about the freedom to make choices. As long as we live in a country that still regards a deputy PM who’s a woman as something ‘different’ as long as women are still described by their age and marital status in the media…we have a long way to go to change attitudes regarding our freedom of choice.
I’ll have a cup of tea now!

]]> By: Sonia Lyne http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-81 Sonia Lyne Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:55:46 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-81 Fantastic idea for the girls ... the number of fictional female characters is MINIMAL. As you know I have two beautiful twin boys, hence I am now immersed in a world of trucks, helicopters, spiderman, superman and the like. Therefore, being in the work we do, I am constantly thinking about the many characters that are out their for boys in comparison to the number of fictional characters for girls that embody strength and uniqueness.How many do I come up with??? As a young girl Miss Piggy was a character who I adored for her determination and nothing was going to stand in her way. I saw her curves as completely yummy and she exuded the belief that she was beautiful. At an early age I thought she was a great role model for many young girls. She embodies an ideal to which I still aspire ... STRENGTH, COURAGE and the BELIEF THAT YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL !! Fantastic idea for the girls … the number of fictional female characters is MINIMAL. As you know I have two beautiful twin boys, hence I am now immersed in a world of trucks, helicopters, spiderman, superman and the like. Therefore, being in the work we do, I am constantly thinking about the many characters that are out their for boys in comparison to the number of fictional characters for girls that embody strength and uniqueness.How many do I come up with???

As a young girl Miss Piggy was a character who I adored for her determination and nothing was going to stand in her way. I saw her curves as completely yummy and she exuded the belief that she was beautiful. At an early age I thought she was a great role model for many young girls. She embodies an ideal to which I still aspire … STRENGTH, COURAGE and the BELIEF THAT YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL !!

]]> By: Donelle http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-79 Donelle Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:29:03 +0000 http://enlighteneducation.edublogs.org/2007/11/30/loving-wonder-woman/#comment-79 Thanks for sharing this story. It will be interesting to see over time how female characters are portrayed in the comic, with a woman writer on an ongoing basis. Wonder Woman is already a great role model for girls. Even in cartoon form it's great to see strong, confident female characters saving the day, rather than just seeing the helpless, batting eyelids of Jessica Rabbit and Betty Boop types. Looking forward to future Wonder Woman adventures! Thanks for sharing this story. It will be interesting to see over time how female characters are portrayed in the comic, with a woman writer on an ongoing basis. Wonder Woman is already a great role model for girls. Even in cartoon form it’s great to see strong, confident female characters saving the day, rather than just seeing the helpless, batting eyelids of Jessica Rabbit and Betty Boop types. Looking forward to future Wonder Woman adventures!

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